Language around gender and identity evolves (and always has) | Archie Crowley

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Dictionaries and grammar "rules" don't have the final word on language — and believing they do can harm more than help, especially for the trans community. Sociolinguist Archie Crowley deconstructs three common myths around language, demonstrating how it's a fluid system that naturally evolves in the direction of inclusion.

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71 Comments on Language around gender and identity evolves (and always has) | Archie Crowley

  1. Language evolves. That much is true. But language evolves by consent, not by force or dictat. When a minority of people demand changes in language, and want to enforce those changes, the result will inevitably be resistance.

    • @Hannes W. All those variations are used. Although “LGBTQAI+” is a far less common one than “LGBTQIA+”, at least in my experience and also to assume because Wikipedia includes the latter, but not the former (which makes me wonder if the second one making the same comment just straight-up copied the first of them).

    • @Brice Dutertre Ok but where is your understanding and respect to people who want to keep the current way of speaking?

  2. “The oldest and strongest emotion of mankind is fear, and the oldest and strongest kind of fear, is fear of the unknown.” *H.P Lovecraft*

  3. A 13 min video about “i got low self esteem and i’m going to change a entier language in order to be able to feel better “

  4. What if someone would demand to be called “your highness” or let’s say “my master”? Should that also be universally followed?

  5. Notice that this topic very much centers around language and linguistics. If you can change how people use language, you can change how they think, and therefore behave, both at the individual level and the societal level. And thanks to the power of the internet, you can make these changes exponentially faster and more broadly. It’s subtle, but once you see this linguistic strategy, you start to see it everywhere. It’s not restricted to just one issue or political persuasion. Creating lasting change is harder though. See the fickleness of meme culture. What will stick, and what will fade away? Time will tell.

    • Yes using certain language to tactically communicate your view is a thing, but the view came first. It is crucial to create lasting change because as new concepts develop or new norms form they need words to describe them in order to be in the societal mind. That can be good or bad depending on the what view is changing, but to me looking at what role gender is playing and should play in society is a place where some outdated views and terminology can make way.

    • “If you can change how people use language, you can change how they think, and therefore behave, both at the individual level and the societal level”
      This, this actually can be very dangerous.

  6. We got this thing in german speaking countries called “gendern”.
    Like in many other countries, german uses the generic maskulin (just using the grammatical-male version of a word to address all sexes). e.g. “most actors can’t afford to live off their profession”.
    For the feminist movement however, this is a big problem because it doesn’t specifically highlight that also women are meant by that term. They demand (with great success) to “gender” all these words. e.g. “most actorEsses can’t afford to live off their profession”
    Does it make sense to you to obscure language like that in this case?

    • Same with any other language that uses gender in nouns. Same in Latin America with Spanish. Most of the time, like in German, it is the standard to address a group of male and female people with the masculine. In Spanish, they have modified words like Todos to TodEs instead. It is a social cancer.

    • Ich halte es für eine Verunstaltung der deutschen Sprache da ohnehin beide Geschlechter gemeint sind.
      Absolut unnötig meiner Meinung nach. Ich denke wir haben wichtigere Probleme als diesen “Gender” Schmus. Ich bin sehr wohl für Gleichberechtigung, aber deshalb eine ganze Sprache zu ändern halte ich für etwas übertrieben.

    • Gott, es ist so schwer diese extra Silbe zu sagen, kann nur zustimmen, denn letztendlich kostet es über mein Leben hinweg mich sicherlich ne Stunde Lebenszeit, schrecklich. Erstreckt wenn manche sich dadurch erfreuen und durch weniger Hass viel mehr im Ausgleich dazugekommen… Diese Stunde ist MEIN

    • @blaxxun75 “Verunstaltung” ist eine persönliche Wertung, die es in der Linguistik so nicht gibt.
      Davon abgesehen, gibt es unzählige soziologische Studien, die belegen, dass es eben nicht egal ist. So z. B. gab es Kampagnen gegen Rasen auf der Autobahn. Hier wurde immer das generische Maskulinum von Rasern und Fahrern genutzt. Eine Gruppe, die damit nicht erreicht wurde, waren Frauen. Und die die selbst rasend unterwegs waren fühlten sich nicht angesprochen. Das ist sehr relevant.

    • These people are everything but unique.
      The only unique in them is how they are all uniquely trying to be different.
      Their sole existince is based on “me me me”.
      This is what you get when you have a culture, like in america, where narcissism is not frowned upon but instead “celebrated”.
      Narcissism breeds mental illness.

    • You don’t decide or determine what “reality” is.
      And pronouns aren’t a “unique personality trait”,they’re an essential part of one’s being.

    • @Amir Moualla Treat people with courtesy sure, but respect people? What good is respect if you just respect everybody? You’re devaluing the currency of respect

    • this isnt about one person’s ted talk. trans people dont defy reality by existing. nor do they defy science. theyve existed for a very long time, longer than the English language rules you call “reality” have been the norm.

  7. Archie: People get really upset when you challenge their beliefs about language.
    People in the comments: I’m really upset because you challenged my beliefs about language!

  8. This is ridiculous. God never makes mistakes. If gender didnt matter why arent we all 1 gender and can just duplicate ourselves when we want a kid?

  9. Language is always in constant change, there are still no words today for what will come tomorrow. We should be proud of the diversity and wonder that English has to offer. So let’s walk with an open mind and a heart, everyone deserves the right words to express themselves.

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